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		<title>By: Angel H</title>
		<link>http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/2008/09/10/pit-bull-breed-ban-versus-breed-specific-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-414</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading everyone’s comments and found them to be pretty interesting. I am trying to find a list of laws protecting dogs in various areas and a list of dogs banded in specific areas. 

I do know that if a dog attacks a person there are laws protecting that person. But if a dog attacks another dog because the owner decides to let go of the leash what laws are there to protect the other dog? The leash laws say that the dogs have to be restrained. But if a dog is let out of a fence due to unruly kids then he is not protected. My dog has no protections by the laws due to his breed. He is a gray Rottweiler. He has a very docile temperament and was the one attacked. Not only did the lady turn the dogs lose on my dog, she turned the dogs lose on another dog much younger and able to escape unlike mine. Joe has never been aggressive regardless of his breed. None of my dogs are aggressive. He was let out of the fence by some unruly kids. There is now 3 bolts on the inside of the gate. They guy told me that my dog attacked his wife and dogs. Three neighbors were out there while this all happened. One of which was trying to pull the two boxers off my Joe who was scream for mercy. He stated that she just let go of the leash and stood there with her hands folded smirking. He asked her to get her dogs and she said “he shouldn’t have been lose.” He never fought back; Joe is not a fighter. Because he was lose and because of his breed he has no protection. Why is this? Why did she have the right to sick her two boxers on my dog and get away with it? I do not believe that temperament is due to the breed. I believe that their temperament is determined by how they are raised. Even my abuse cases are very loving. They have accepted every animal that has come and gone through my door regardless. I even threw a goat in the mix and they loved and licked her and accepted her as one of their own. But yet there are no laws to protect certain breeds. Some days I just don&#039;t like people; especially for what they do to the animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading everyone’s comments and found them to be pretty interesting. I am trying to find a list of laws protecting dogs in various areas and a list of dogs banded in specific areas. </p>
<p>I do know that if a dog attacks a person there are laws protecting that person. But if a dog attacks another dog because the owner decides to let go of the leash what laws are there to protect the other dog? The leash laws say that the dogs have to be restrained. But if a dog is let out of a fence due to unruly kids then he is not protected. My dog has no protections by the laws due to his breed. He is a gray Rottweiler. He has a very docile temperament and was the one attacked. Not only did the lady turn the dogs lose on my dog, she turned the dogs lose on another dog much younger and able to escape unlike mine. Joe has never been aggressive regardless of his breed. None of my dogs are aggressive. He was let out of the fence by some unruly kids. There is now 3 bolts on the inside of the gate. They guy told me that my dog attacked his wife and dogs. Three neighbors were out there while this all happened. One of which was trying to pull the two boxers off my Joe who was scream for mercy. He stated that she just let go of the leash and stood there with her hands folded smirking. He asked her to get her dogs and she said “he shouldn’t have been lose.” He never fought back; Joe is not a fighter. Because he was lose and because of his breed he has no protection. Why is this? Why did she have the right to sick her two boxers on my dog and get away with it? I do not believe that temperament is due to the breed. I believe that their temperament is determined by how they are raised. Even my abuse cases are very loving. They have accepted every animal that has come and gone through my door regardless. I even threw a goat in the mix and they loved and licked her and accepted her as one of their own. But yet there are no laws to protect certain breeds. Some days I just don&#8217;t like people; especially for what they do to the animals.</p>
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		<title>By: Grisha</title>
		<link>http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/2008/09/10/pit-bull-breed-ban-versus-breed-specific-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Grisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 23:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I deleted a post I just got because the person who posted did not give me a way to contact them. I refuse to have a conversation with a completely anonymous source... If you posted and it&#039;s not here, either try again with contact info, or email me (see the bottom of this page for email).  I will not, of course, share your email with the world, but I need to be able to verify information in the posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I deleted a post I just got because the person who posted did not give me a way to contact them. I refuse to have a conversation with a completely anonymous source&#8230; If you posted and it&#8217;s not here, either try again with contact info, or email me (see the bottom of this page for email).  I will not, of course, share your email with the world, but I need to be able to verify information in the posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Grisha</title>
		<link>http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/2008/09/10/pit-bull-breed-ban-versus-breed-specific-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>Grisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Association of Pet Dog Trainers has a proposed set of dog safety laws on their website at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.apdt.com/about/ps/model_dog_law.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;apdt.com&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Association of Pet Dog Trainers has a proposed set of dog safety laws on their website at <a href="http://www.apdt.com/about/ps/model_dog_law.aspx" rel="nofollow">apdt.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Grisha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Selwyn,

While I do think that laws will change the law-abiding more, it doesn&#039;t mean that there will be no change.  I know a ton of fairly respectable people that still don&#039;t follow leash laws, for example, because the enforcement is so terrible, even when their dogs will run up to another dog when off leash.  So it&#039;s really important to make sure that whatever law gets passed applies to all breeds *and*  gets funding for enforcement.

The 4.7 million number was from the article I linked to in the SF Chronicle. Their number came from the Centers for Disease Control.  The biggest section of dog, by far, that did the biting was, &quot;Unknown Breed.&quot;     Clearly, if only 20% of the bites in Seattle come from pit bulls, we need to make sure that we make a change that influences the other 80% of bites, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Selwyn,</p>
<p>While I do think that laws will change the law-abiding more, it doesn&#8217;t mean that there will be no change.  I know a ton of fairly respectable people that still don&#8217;t follow leash laws, for example, because the enforcement is so terrible, even when their dogs will run up to another dog when off leash.  So it&#8217;s really important to make sure that whatever law gets passed applies to all breeds *and*  gets funding for enforcement.</p>
<p>The 4.7 million number was from the article I linked to in the SF Chronicle. Their number came from the Centers for Disease Control.  The biggest section of dog, by far, that did the biting was, &#8220;Unknown Breed.&#8221;     Clearly, if only 20% of the bites in Seattle come from pit bulls, we need to make sure that we make a change that influences the other 80% of bites, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: selwyn marock</title>
		<link>http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/2008/09/10/pit-bull-breed-ban-versus-breed-specific-legislation/comment-page-1/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>selwyn marock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 points,1)whatever laws are promulgated they will only affect the law-abiding,the criminal element will adopt the attitude that most politicians take IGNOR IGNOR IGNOR.The officials will only go after the law abiding,easier and much safer for them.In essence whatever new ridiculous law is promulgated will in fact be farcical.One can only pray for the poor animals in their fight against the most EVIL specie on the planet, the HUMAN

Would be interested to know where the figure of 4,700,000 dogbites per annum is derived from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 points,1)whatever laws are promulgated they will only affect the law-abiding,the criminal element will adopt the attitude that most politicians take IGNOR IGNOR IGNOR.The officials will only go after the law abiding,easier and much safer for them.In essence whatever new ridiculous law is promulgated will in fact be farcical.One can only pray for the poor animals in their fight against the most EVIL specie on the planet, the HUMAN</p>
<p>Would be interested to know where the figure of 4,700,000 dogbites per annum is derived from.</p>
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		<title>By: Grisha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Centers for Disease Control bite rate statistics are often quoted. I wanted to put in the conclusion for their report, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/biteprevention.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998.&lt;/a&gt;

They wrote, 

&quot;Conclusions—Although fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers), other breeds may bite and cause fatalities at higher rates. Because of difficulties inherent in determining a dog’s breed with certainty, enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises constitutional and practical issues. Fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog bite injuries to humans and, therefore, should not be the primary factor driving public policy concerning dangerous dogs. Many practical alternatives to breed-specific ordinances exist and hold promise for prevention of dog bites.&quot;

Keep in mind that the average number of deaths was very small, something like a dozen people.  Not that I&#039;m saying that those weren&#039;t tragedies, or that bites that don&#039;t kill are no big deal, but that the risk that a child will be killed by a dog is quite small.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Centers for Disease Control bite rate statistics are often quoted. I wanted to put in the conclusion for their report, <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/biteprevention.htm" rel="nofollow">Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998.</a></p>
<p>They wrote, </p>
<p>&#8220;Conclusions—Although fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers), other breeds may bite and cause fatalities at higher rates. Because of difficulties inherent in determining a dog’s breed with certainty, enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises constitutional and practical issues. Fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog bite injuries to humans and, therefore, should not be the primary factor driving public policy concerning dangerous dogs. Many practical alternatives to breed-specific ordinances exist and hold promise for prevention of dog bites.&#8221;</p>
<p>Keep in mind that the average number of deaths was very small, something like a dozen people.  Not that I&#8217;m saying that those weren&#8217;t tragedies, or that bites that don&#8217;t kill are no big deal, but that the risk that a child will be killed by a dog is quite small.</p>
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		<title>By: Grisha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the suggestions made by Colleen Lynne is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/28/MNK5RMK79.DTL&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mandatory sterilization for pit bulls&lt;/a&gt;.  I looked at the San Francisco chronicle about their policy (that&#039;s the link above) and it really does seem to be helping.  At the very least, less pit bulls are needing to be euthanized at their shelter, and I can&#039;t possibly see that as a bad thing. &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/346345_pitbulls07.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pit bulls are by far the most prevalent dog in the shelter (30% of shelter dogs in Seattle are pit bulls), but the 4th most popular dog in the city&lt;/a&gt;.  That means that more are being bred than are wanted, so why not sterilize? 

I think that dogs of all breeds should be sterilized, unless the person is a registered breeder and the dog is a registered breeding dog.  That could include show dogs and working dogs whose handlers want them to remain intact. The breeders could then be educated about temperament, health problems, etc.  I&#039;d also love to have registered breeders&#039; dogs be temperament tested, and if they failed the temperament test, the dog would be sterilized.  That solution takes away the very big problem of having to decide whether a dog is really a pit bull, increases the temperament of the entire dog population, and also goes a LONG way toward keeping dogs out of the shelter.  The shelter then has more $$ to go toward spay/neuter.

Here are some snippets from the article about San Francisco: &quot;Animal Care and Control Director Carl Friedman said the city has impounded 21 percent fewer pit bulls since the law passed than during the previous year and a half. The number of pit bulls euthanized has dropped 24 percent.&quot;

&quot;San Francisco&#039;s law allows animal control officers to issue a fix-it ticket to noncompliant dog owners, requiring that the pit bull be sterilized within two weeks. Animal Control officers also hand out information on low-cost and free surgeries.

&quot;Officers follow up with visits to the homes of owners who have not complied. A first violation can bring a citation and $500 fine; more than one citation can land an owner in jail and result in the city seizing the dog.&quot;

&quot;Usually, however, Animal Care and Control officers don&#039;t let it get to that point. If they return and have to write a citation, officers will take the dog from the owner - sometimes forcefully - spay or neuter the animal and return it, unless the pit bull is aggressive or officials believe it is being used in dog fights.&quot;

&quot;I&#039;ve seen pit bulls make wonderful companion animals - they are good for families and children,&quot; Friedman said. &quot;I understand where (opponents) were coming from, but I didn&#039;t want to see us going the same routes as other communities that are banning certain breeds altogether. In my mind, this is a very good compromise and it&#039;s been a success.&quot;

There&#039;s at good graphic at http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/08/28/mn_pit_bull.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the suggestions made by Colleen Lynne is <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/28/MNK5RMK79.DTL" rel="nofollow">mandatory sterilization for pit bulls</a>.  I looked at the San Francisco chronicle about their policy (that&#8217;s the link above) and it really does seem to be helping.  At the very least, less pit bulls are needing to be euthanized at their shelter, and I can&#8217;t possibly see that as a bad thing. <a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/346345_pitbulls07.html" rel="nofollow">Pit bulls are by far the most prevalent dog in the shelter (30% of shelter dogs in Seattle are pit bulls), but the 4th most popular dog in the city</a>.  That means that more are being bred than are wanted, so why not sterilize? </p>
<p>I think that dogs of all breeds should be sterilized, unless the person is a registered breeder and the dog is a registered breeding dog.  That could include show dogs and working dogs whose handlers want them to remain intact. The breeders could then be educated about temperament, health problems, etc.  I&#8217;d also love to have registered breeders&#8217; dogs be temperament tested, and if they failed the temperament test, the dog would be sterilized.  That solution takes away the very big problem of having to decide whether a dog is really a pit bull, increases the temperament of the entire dog population, and also goes a LONG way toward keeping dogs out of the shelter.  The shelter then has more $$ to go toward spay/neuter.</p>
<p>Here are some snippets from the article about San Francisco: &#8220;Animal Care and Control Director Carl Friedman said the city has impounded 21 percent fewer pit bulls since the law passed than during the previous year and a half. The number of pit bulls euthanized has dropped 24 percent.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;San Francisco&#8217;s law allows animal control officers to issue a fix-it ticket to noncompliant dog owners, requiring that the pit bull be sterilized within two weeks. Animal Control officers also hand out information on low-cost and free surgeries.</p>
<p>&#8220;Officers follow up with visits to the homes of owners who have not complied. A first violation can bring a citation and $500 fine; more than one citation can land an owner in jail and result in the city seizing the dog.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Usually, however, Animal Care and Control officers don&#8217;t let it get to that point. If they return and have to write a citation, officers will take the dog from the owner &#8211; sometimes forcefully &#8211; spay or neuter the animal and return it, unless the pit bull is aggressive or officials believe it is being used in dog fights.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve seen pit bulls make wonderful companion animals &#8211; they are good for families and children,&#8221; Friedman said. &#8220;I understand where (opponents) were coming from, but I didn&#8217;t want to see us going the same routes as other communities that are banning certain breeds altogether. In my mind, this is a very good compromise and it&#8217;s been a success.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s at good graphic at <a href="http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/08/28/mn_pit_bull.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/08/28/mn_pit_bull.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grisha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was listening to KUOW and heard a suggestion that if a dog does attack, that the human should be prosecuted as if they were the one doing the attack. I agree. If our &quot;property&quot; damages another person, we are liable. And I think that making people personally responsible for their dogs is an excellent suggestion.  It would apply to any breed and would certainly reduce the incidence of aggression. I&#039;m no lawyer, though, so I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s constitutional.  But it&#039;s a good idea.  

That&#039;s what they have in Texas: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/23/MNG17R544E1.DTL&amp;hw=pit+bull+law&amp;sn=008&amp;sc=257&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s an article including a mention of their policy&lt;/a&gt;.

Another important bit of info from that article: &quot;Each year, roughly 4.7 million people are bitten by dogs and about 800,000, half of them children, seek medical attention, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.&quot;

&quot;On average, a dozen people die each year from dog attacks, according to the center. In 2003, 32 people died from dog-related incidents.&quot;

25 of the states make owners legally liable if their dogs maim or kill.  Why only 25?  This doesn&#039;t need to be breed specific, clearly. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was listening to KUOW and heard a suggestion that if a dog does attack, that the human should be prosecuted as if they were the one doing the attack. I agree. If our &#8220;property&#8221; damages another person, we are liable. And I think that making people personally responsible for their dogs is an excellent suggestion.  It would apply to any breed and would certainly reduce the incidence of aggression. I&#8217;m no lawyer, though, so I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s constitutional.  But it&#8217;s a good idea.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what they have in Texas: <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/23/MNG17R544E1.DTL&#038;hw=pit+bull+law&#038;sn=008&#038;sc=257" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s an article including a mention of their policy</a>.</p>
<p>Another important bit of info from that article: &#8220;Each year, roughly 4.7 million people are bitten by dogs and about 800,000, half of them children, seek medical attention, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;On average, a dozen people die each year from dog attacks, according to the center. In 2003, 32 people died from dog-related incidents.&#8221;</p>
<p>25 of the states make owners legally liable if their dogs maim or kill.  Why only 25?  This doesn&#8217;t need to be breed specific, clearly.</p>
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