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		<title>By: Stephen Rafe</title>
		<link>http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/2007/12/13/dog-whisperer-inhumane/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be very naieve of any of us to believe that the TV station would air Milan's failures. We are only allowed to see his successes. I have been a staunch opponent of harsh methods for more than two decades in this business -- dating back to when everyone was jerking on chokechains. In the training of pointing-breed dogs for the field, especially, the abuse was rampant back then. And in that field, as well as in Milan's work, we heard only about the successes. For example, you would hear ("Name of Trainer" has finished X number of champions with his methods.) Usually, the number was paltry when compared with the number of dogs that he ruined. (I say "he" because all field trainers were male in the field in those days.) Wouldn't it be interesting to see the "outtakes" from the "Whisperer's" show -- the stuff they don't dare put on the air?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be very naieve of any of us to believe that the TV station would air Milan&#8217;s failures. We are only allowed to see his successes. I have been a staunch opponent of harsh methods for more than two decades in this business &#8212; dating back to when everyone was jerking on chokechains. In the training of pointing-breed dogs for the field, especially, the abuse was rampant back then. And in that field, as well as in Milan&#8217;s work, we heard only about the successes. For example, you would hear (&#8221;Name of Trainer&#8221; has finished X number of champions with his methods.) Usually, the number was paltry when compared with the number of dogs that he ruined. (I say &#8220;he&#8221; because all field trainers were male in the field in those days.) Wouldn&#8217;t it be interesting to see the &#8220;outtakes&#8221; from the &#8220;Whisperer&#8217;s&#8221; show &#8212; the stuff they don&#8217;t dare put on the air?</p>
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		<title>By: Grisha</title>
		<link>http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/2007/12/13/dog-whisperer-inhumane/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>Grisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The *only* reason that I wrote this article is because I want people out there, even the ones who don't live in Seattle, near me, to know that the dog training techniques they see on TV should not be repeated at home.  It is not for my own publicity, and it's not out of jealousy.  Nor is it because of racism.  One of my favorite trainers, who I already mentioned above, even, is from Mexico.  His name is Jesus Rosales-Ruiz and he does an excellent job of working with dog aggression and does research on effective techniques. Jesus is also educated, meaning that he has learned to be more than a trainer doing what "feels right" or "seems to work" with the dogs, and has moved beyond leash corrections to more effective and humane techniques.  You can check out Dr. Ruiz at http://www.clickertraining.com/node/32

I respect good dog training ideas, from whatever source.  Please open your mind to the idea that I can train without force because it works and I feel it's the right thing to do.  If you had a broken wrist and your doctor cut off your arm at the elbow, you'd definitely not have a broken wrist problem any more, but you might think that what the doctor did was too much, and unnecessary.  That's what LIMA (Least Invasive, Minimally Aversive) trainers feel about traditional, correction-based dog training.  

The mere fact that Cesar Millan is popular does not mean he's right or that his techniques should be considered humane.  Any well-promoted person can get a lot of hits.  I'm sure that, if Adolf Hitler had a website, he'd get a lot of hits, too. The opponent to your favorite presidential candidate also gets a lot of hits during his campaign. Does that mean he's right?

I've seen a shock collar used on the Dog Whisperer show, and the fact that you haven't seen it doesn't make my observation "nonsense".  A dog trainer friend of mind recorded it to show to those trainers in the small group who didn't know who Cesar Millan was.  You see the German Shepherd suddenly yelp, out of nowhere, when Cesar Millan puts his hand in his pocket, and once during the show, the remote did come out, and you can see it in his hand, just before he corrects the dog verbally and the dog responds with too much fear for a simple verbal correction.  He doesn't use shock collars every time, but I believe he did use it on at least one show.  On most of the other shows, he doesn't use shock, but Cesar Millan continually seems to use fear or pain to put the dog into a "submissive" state.  Try "fearful".

The whole idea that you have to be Alpha over your dog is such a self-fulfilling prophecy and isn't based in fact.  But I digress.

I've since seen many episodes of the Dog Whisperer, and the modern dog training world would consider most of the techniques old-school and unnecessary.  I feel that putting a choke chain on a dog, setting the dog up to fail, and popping on the leash when the dog does something wrong is barbaric and leads to all kinds of trouble.  I also saw him "hang" a dog - lift up on the leash and wait for the dog to stop struggling, when the blocked-off airway finally caused the dog to almost pass out.  That's the kind of inhumane "dog training" incident that the American Humane Association was especially worried about.

Pinning the dog to the ground also seemed to be something used a lot on the Dog Whisperer show - and I can think of few other ways to put a human into so much risk as to tell them to pin a reactive dog to the ground.  It's risky and not necessary.  In the best case scenario, pinning dogs makes the dog better toward the most scary person, but then the bad behavior shows up toward others - usually children &#038; wives, in my experience.

I know he wants these dogs to succeed. I just wish that he'd see that there is another, better way to train dogs and yes, even rehabilitate aggression.

Finally, I'd like to look at your argument versus mine. I have never said that Cesar Millan was a bad person.  I'm discussing *techniques*.  Your argument is based on the idea that I am racist, jealous, and self-serving.  Can you see the difference? Could we stick to the facts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The *only* reason that I wrote this article is because I want people out there, even the ones who don&#8217;t live in Seattle, near me, to know that the dog training techniques they see on TV should not be repeated at home.  It is not for my own publicity, and it&#8217;s not out of jealousy.  Nor is it because of racism.  One of my favorite trainers, who I already mentioned above, even, is from Mexico.  His name is Jesus Rosales-Ruiz and he does an excellent job of working with dog aggression and does research on effective techniques. Jesus is also educated, meaning that he has learned to be more than a trainer doing what &#8220;feels right&#8221; or &#8220;seems to work&#8221; with the dogs, and has moved beyond leash corrections to more effective and humane techniques.  You can check out Dr. Ruiz at <a href="http://www.clickertraining.com/node/32" rel="nofollow">http://www.clickertraining.com/node/32</a></p>
<p>I respect good dog training ideas, from whatever source.  Please open your mind to the idea that I can train without force because it works and I feel it&#8217;s the right thing to do.  If you had a broken wrist and your doctor cut off your arm at the elbow, you&#8217;d definitely not have a broken wrist problem any more, but you might think that what the doctor did was too much, and unnecessary.  That&#8217;s what LIMA (Least Invasive, Minimally Aversive) trainers feel about traditional, correction-based dog training.  </p>
<p>The mere fact that Cesar Millan is popular does not mean he&#8217;s right or that his techniques should be considered humane.  Any well-promoted person can get a lot of hits.  I&#8217;m sure that, if Adolf Hitler had a website, he&#8217;d get a lot of hits, too. The opponent to your favorite presidential candidate also gets a lot of hits during his campaign. Does that mean he&#8217;s right?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen a shock collar used on the Dog Whisperer show, and the fact that you haven&#8217;t seen it doesn&#8217;t make my observation &#8220;nonsense&#8221;.  A dog trainer friend of mind recorded it to show to those trainers in the small group who didn&#8217;t know who Cesar Millan was.  You see the German Shepherd suddenly yelp, out of nowhere, when Cesar Millan puts his hand in his pocket, and once during the show, the remote did come out, and you can see it in his hand, just before he corrects the dog verbally and the dog responds with too much fear for a simple verbal correction.  He doesn&#8217;t use shock collars every time, but I believe he did use it on at least one show.  On most of the other shows, he doesn&#8217;t use shock, but Cesar Millan continually seems to use fear or pain to put the dog into a &#8220;submissive&#8221; state.  Try &#8220;fearful&#8221;.</p>
<p>The whole idea that you have to be Alpha over your dog is such a self-fulfilling prophecy and isn&#8217;t based in fact.  But I digress.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve since seen many episodes of the Dog Whisperer, and the modern dog training world would consider most of the techniques old-school and unnecessary.  I feel that putting a choke chain on a dog, setting the dog up to fail, and popping on the leash when the dog does something wrong is barbaric and leads to all kinds of trouble.  I also saw him &#8220;hang&#8221; a dog - lift up on the leash and wait for the dog to stop struggling, when the blocked-off airway finally caused the dog to almost pass out.  That&#8217;s the kind of inhumane &#8220;dog training&#8221; incident that the American Humane Association was especially worried about.</p>
<p>Pinning the dog to the ground also seemed to be something used a lot on the Dog Whisperer show - and I can think of few other ways to put a human into so much risk as to tell them to pin a reactive dog to the ground.  It&#8217;s risky and not necessary.  In the best case scenario, pinning dogs makes the dog better toward the most scary person, but then the bad behavior shows up toward others - usually children &#038; wives, in my experience.</p>
<p>I know he wants these dogs to succeed. I just wish that he&#8217;d see that there is another, better way to train dogs and yes, even rehabilitate aggression.</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;d like to look at your argument versus mine. I have never said that Cesar Millan was a bad person.  I&#8217;m discussing *techniques*.  Your argument is based on the idea that I am racist, jealous, and self-serving.  Can you see the difference? Could we stick to the facts?</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/2007/12/13/dog-whisperer-inhumane/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly enough, he has 12 million hits to his website and has helped thousands of people. Read his books. He doesn't use shock collars, that's nonsense. I wonder if there is a little envy regarding the immigrant that got famous, weathly and his own TV show in your industry. Seems like a case of try to knock off the person at the top of the mountain. Maybe I can get some publicity and website traffic if I talk about Cesar Millan, the most famous trainer in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough, he has 12 million hits to his website and has helped thousands of people. Read his books. He doesn&#8217;t use shock collars, that&#8217;s nonsense. I wonder if there is a little envy regarding the immigrant that got famous, weathly and his own TV show in your industry. Seems like a case of try to knock off the person at the top of the mountain. Maybe I can get some publicity and website traffic if I talk about Cesar Millan, the most famous trainer in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Grisha</title>
		<link>http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/2007/12/13/dog-whisperer-inhumane/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Grisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 04:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Forum: "Thank you for this post, Grisha. I have had a number of intelligent, well-meaning acquaintances who love their dogs ask me about the DW and I've had a hard time responding."  More responses in the Ahimsa &lt;a href="http://ahimsadogtraining.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=54" rel="nofollow"&gt;dog forum&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Forum: &#8220;Thank you for this post, Grisha. I have had a number of intelligent, well-meaning acquaintances who love their dogs ask me about the DW and I&#8217;ve had a hard time responding.&#8221;  More responses in the Ahimsa <a href="http://ahimsadogtraining.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=54" rel="nofollow">dog forum</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Grisha</title>
		<link>http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/2007/12/13/dog-whisperer-inhumane/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Grisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lovely question.  The "better way" is what I do all the time.  I specialize in dog aggression and rehabilitate dogs using counter-conditioning, desensitization, positive reinforcement training, and management. I also use an approach called Constructional Aggression Treatment, which consists of teaching dogs better responses to give in the presence of triggers.  So instead of aggression, we reinforce head turns, ground sniffs, look aways, etc.  The main reinforcement that the dog is looking for is for the trigger to go away.  You don't need to leash pop or yell or anything for the dog to change tactics. You do have to arrange things carefully and use the big human brain we all have.  But it's possible to retrain without pain, fear, or force.  I choose that way because it works, it teaches dogs to enjoy the former trigger instead of just avoiding it, and because matches my life philosophy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.dogwise.com/ItemDetails.cfm?ID=DTB947&#038;AffiliateID=46152&#038;Method=3" rel="nofollow"&gt;Click here for a video about the CAT technique&lt;/a&gt;: http://www.tawzerdogvideos.com/JesusRosalesRuiz-KellieSnider.htm&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are many, many books on using Counter-Conditioning and Desensitization for treating fear and aggression.  One such book is on my site: https://ahimsadogtraining.com/store/proddetail.php?prod=MCH-0012 (Help for Your Fearful Dog). One good video is from Kathy Sdao - see the &lt;a href="http://www.dogwise.com/ItemDetails.cfm?ID=DTB903&#038;AffiliateID=46152&#038;Method=3" rel="nofollow"&gt;Cujo Meets Pavlov&lt;/a&gt; workshop video.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely question.  The &#8220;better way&#8221; is what I do all the time.  I specialize in dog aggression and rehabilitate dogs using counter-conditioning, desensitization, positive reinforcement training, and management. I also use an approach called Constructional Aggression Treatment, which consists of teaching dogs better responses to give in the presence of triggers.  So instead of aggression, we reinforce head turns, ground sniffs, look aways, etc.  The main reinforcement that the dog is looking for is for the trigger to go away.  You don&#8217;t need to leash pop or yell or anything for the dog to change tactics. You do have to arrange things carefully and use the big human brain we all have.  But it&#8217;s possible to retrain without pain, fear, or force.  I choose that way because it works, it teaches dogs to enjoy the former trigger instead of just avoiding it, and because matches my life philosophy.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dogwise.com/ItemDetails.cfm?ID=DTB947&#038;AffiliateID=46152&#038;Method=3" rel="nofollow">Click here for a video about the CAT technique</a>: <a href="http://www.tawzerdogvideos.com/JesusRosalesRuiz-KellieSnider.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.tawzerdogvideos.com/JesusRosalesRuiz-KellieSnider.htm</a></p>
<p>There are many, many books on using Counter-Conditioning and Desensitization for treating fear and aggression.  One such book is on my site: <a href="https://ahimsadogtraining.com/store/proddetail.php?prod=MCH-0012" rel="nofollow">https://ahimsadogtraining.com/store/proddetail.php?prod=MCH-0012</a> (Help for Your Fearful Dog). One good video is from Kathy Sdao - see the <a href="http://www.dogwise.com/ItemDetails.cfm?ID=DTB903&#038;AffiliateID=46152&#038;Method=3" rel="nofollow">Cujo Meets Pavlov</a> workshop video.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/2007/12/13/dog-whisperer-inhumane/#comment-45</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cesar has deal with some quite aggressive dogs on Dog Whisperer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You say and others say "outdated techniques".  Show us the better way.  Otherwise your just criticizing, for whatever reason.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cesar has deal with some quite aggressive dogs on Dog Whisperer.</p>
<p>You say and others say &#8220;outdated techniques&#8221;.  Show us the better way.  Otherwise your just criticizing, for whatever reason.</p>
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